LA Times Crossword Answers 2 Nov 2017, Thursday

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Constructed by: Peg Slay
Edited by: Rich Norris

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Today’s Theme: Flats

Each of today’s themed answers is clued with “Where to find (FLATS)”:

  • 37A. Road trip troubles … and what can be found in 17-, 24-, 43- and 57-Across : FLATS
  • 17A. Where to find 37-Across : APARTMENT HOUSES
  • 24A. Where to find 37-Across : GARDENING CENTER
  • 43A. Where to find 37-Across : WOMEN’S SHOE STORE
  • 57A. Where to find 37-Across : SYMPHONIC SCORES

Bill’s time: 6m 31s

Bill’s errors: 0

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Today’s Wiki-est Amazonian Googlies

Across

1. Ford crossover SUV : EDGE

The Edge is a midsize crossover SUV that Ford has been manufacturing in the company’s plant in Oakville, Ontario since 2006.

16. Pennsylvania city subject to lake-effect snow : ERIE

Erie is a city in the very north of Pennsylvania, right on the southern shore of Lake Erie. The city takes its name from the Erie Native American tribe that resided in the area. Erie is nicknamed the Gem City, a reference to the “sparkling” Lake Erie.

Lake-effect snow is produced when cold air moves across a relatively warm lake picking up moisture from the water below. The warm moisture rises through the cold mass of air, freezes and then falls as snow on the downwind side of the lake.

17. Where to find 37-Across : APARTMENT HOUSES

“Flat”, in the sense of an apartment or condominium, is a word more commonly used in the British Isles than on this side of the pond. The term “flat” is Scottish in origin, in which language it used to mean “floor in a house”.

22. Penn of “Harold & Kumar” films : KAL

Indian-American actor Kal Penn made a name for himself in the “Harold & Kumar” series of comedy films. These so called “stoner comedies” are not my cup of tea, but I enjoyed him playing his more mainstream roles on TV’s “House” and “24”. He left the world of acting when President Obama won the 2008 election to work as an Associate Director in the White House Office of Public Engagement (although he did leave the White House briefly to film the “Harold & Kumar” sequel).

23. U.N. workers’ gp. : ILO

The International Labour Organization (ILO) is an agency, now administered by the UN, that was established by the League of Nations after WWI. The ILO deals with important issues such as health and safety, discrimination, child labor and forced labor. The organization was recognized for its work in 1969 when it was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

24. Where to find 37-Across : GARDENING CENTER

Flats are shallow trays in which young plants in individual pots are displayed for sale.

34. Ostrich kin : EMUS

The large flightless birds called emus make sounds by manipulating inflatable necks sacs. The sac is about a foot long, has a thin wall and allows the bird to emit a booming sound. The type of sound emitted is the easiest way to differentiate between male and female emus.

The ostrich is a flightless bird that is native to Africa. It is extensively farmed, mainly for its feathers but also for its skin/leather and meat. Famously, the ostrich is the fastest moving of any flightless bird, capable of achieving speeds of over 40 mph. It is also the largest living species of bird, and lays the largest eggs.

39. Piedmont bubbly : ASTI

Asti is a city in the Piedmont region of northwest Italy. The region is perhaps most famous for its Asti Spumante sparkling white wine.

40. Nine-time NHL All-Star : ORR

Bobby Orr is regarded as one of the greatest hockey players of all time. By the time he retired in 1978 he had undergone over a dozen knee surgeries. At 31 years of age, he concluded that he just couldn’t skate anymore. Reportedly, he was even having trouble walking.

42. Cathedral areas : APSES

The apse of a church or cathedral is a semicircular recess in an outer wall, usually with a half-dome as a roof and often where there resides an altar. Originally, apses were used as burial places for the clergy and also for storage of important relics.

43. Where to find 37-Across : WOMEN’S SHOE STORE

Flats are shoes that are not high-heeled.

47. Map line: Abbr. : LAT

Lines of latitude are the imaginary horizontal lines surrounding the planet. The most “important” lines of latitude are, from north to south:

  • Arctic Circle
  • Tropic of Cancer
  • Equator
  • Tropic of Capricorn
  • Antarctic Circle

48. Kendrick Lamar’s genre : RAP

Kendrick Lamar is a hip hop singer from Compton, California. Lamar’s full name is Kendrick Lamar Duckworth, with the singer’s given name honoring Motown artist Eddie Kendricks.

49. Greek vowels : IOTAS

Iota is the ninth letter in the Greek alphabet, one that gave rise to our letters I and J. We use the word “iota” to portray something very small as it is the smallest of all Greek letters.

60. Popular jeans : LEES

The Lee company that’s famous for making jeans was formed in 1889 by one Henry David Lee in Salina, Kansas.

61. “Once Upon a Time in China” star : JET LI

The actor Jet Li’s real name is Li Jian Jie. Jet Li is a martial artist and international film star from Beijing, China. Li played a villain in “Lethal Weapon 4”, and had a leading role in the 2000 movie “Romeo Must Die”.

“Once Upon a Time in China” is a franchise of Hong Kong martial arts films that started off in 1993. The lead character in each movie is Chinese folk hero Wong Fei-hung. Said hero is portrayed by Jet Li in the first three films, before the role was taken over by Vincent Zhao.

63. White-tailed seabird : ERNE

The ern (sometimes “erne”) is also called the white-tailed eagle, or the sea-eagle.

64. Dutch painter of “The Drawing Lesson” : STEEN

Jan Steen was a painter from the Netherlands who was active in the Dutch Golden Age, the 17th century. Steen’s most famous work is probably “The Feast of Saint Nicholas”, which we can see at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

“The Drawing Lesson” is a 1665 painting by Dutch artist Jan Steen that can be viewed in the J. Paul Getty Museum in Los Angeles.

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3. Pest you might slap : GNAT

Gnats are attracted to the smell of rotting food, and to vinegar. Simple homemade traps that use vinegar are often constructed to attract and kill gnats.

5. South Pacific islander : SAMOAN

The official name for the South Pacific nation formerly known as Western Samoa is the Independent State of Samoa. Samoa is the western part of the island group, with American Samoa lying to the southeast. The whole group of islands used to be known as Navigators Island, a name given by European explorers in recognition of the seafaring skills of the native Samoans.

6. Oaty breakfast mix : MUESLI

“Muesli” is a Swiss-German term describing a breakfast serving of oats, nuts, fruit and milk. “Muesli” is a diminutive of the German word “Mues” meaning “puree”. Delicious …

7. Obama Education secretary Duncan : ARNE

Long before Arne Duncan became Secretary of Education, he was a professional basketball player, but not in the NBA. Duncan played for the National Basketball League of Australia, with the Eastside Spectres in Melbourne.

10. Cell using a synapse : NEURON

A nerve cell is more correctly called a neuron. The branched projections that receive electrochemical signals from other neurons are known as dendrites. The long nerve fiber that conducts signals away from the neuron is known as the axon. A neuron that has no definite axon is referred to as “apolar” or “nonpolar”. In apolar neurons the nerve impulses radiate in all directions.

A synapse is a junction between a nerve cell and another cell over which an electrical or chemical signal can pass.

11. Bear in the sky : URSA

The constellation named Ursa Major (Latin for “Larger Bear”) is often just called the Big Dipper because of its resemblance to a ladle or dipper. Ursa Major also resembles a plow, and that’s what we usually call the same constellation back in Ireland, the “plough”.

12. Willingly : LIEF

“Lief” means “willingly, gladly”, and is a term that come from Middle English in the mid-13th century I think that it is a lovely word …

18. Tips for dealers : TOKES

“Toke” is an informal term for a tip given to a dealer or other employee at a casino.

23. Post-op sites : ICUS

Many a hospital (hosp.) includes an intensive care unit (ICU).

25. Last Olds off the line : ALERO

The Oldsmobile Alero was the last car made under the Oldsmobile brand. It was produced from 1999 to 2004.

27. One of four in Mississippi : DOT

There are four dots in the word “Mississippi”, with each being part of a letter I (i).

29. Clock-setting std. : GMT

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is the time at the Prime Meridian, the meridian that runs through Greenwich in London.

30. Italian Renaissance poet : TASSO

Torquato Tasso was an Italian poet who lived in the 1500s. He is best known for his poem “Jerusalem Delivered”. Such is his fame and standing in the arts, that he himself is the subject of works by other artists. Goethe wrote a play called “Torquato Tasso” in 1790 that explored Tasso’s life. Donizetti composed an opera, also called “Torquato Tasso”, in 1833 that incorporated some of the poet’s writing in the libretto.

31. Aromatic compound : ESTER

Esters are very common chemicals. The smaller, low-molecular weight esters are usually pleasant smelling and are often found in perfumes. At the other end of the scale, the higher-molecular weight nitroglycerin is a nitrate ester and is very explosive, and polyester is a huge molecule and is a type of plastic. Fats and oils found in nature are fatty acid esters of glycerol known as glycerides.

37. Ramadan ritual : FAST

Ramadan is the ninth month of the Islamic calendar, and is traditionally a period of fasting. The faithful that observe Ramadan refrain from eating, drinking and sexual relations from dawn to dusk everyday, a lesson in patience, humility and spirituality.

38. Fleur-de-__ : LIS

“Lys” (also “lis”) is the French word for “lily”, as in “fleur-de-lys”, the heraldic symbol often associated with the French monarchy.

39. Germane : APT

Something that is germane is relevant. “Germane” originally meant “having the same parents”, but it was used more figuratively to mean “on topic” by William Shakespeare in “Hamlet”. Tthat’s the way we’ve been using it ever since “Hamlet” was first performed in the 1600s.

42. Mold that’s cold : ASPIC

Aspic is a dish in which the main ingredients are served in a gelatin made from meat stock. “Aspic” is a French word meaning “jelly”.

45. Big name in databases : ORACLE

Oracle is a huge software company with a headquarters in Redwood City, California. Oracle’s main product is enterprise software, software that meets the needs of an organization rather than an individual user. Oracle was co-founded in 1977 by Larry Ellison, who is now one of the richest businesspeople in the world.

50. Terminer’s partner, in law : OYER

“Oyer and terminer” is a term that originates in English law and that applies in some US states. Here in the US, “oyer and terminer” is the name given to some courts of criminal jurisdiction. Even though it has its origins in English law, the words “oyer” and “terminer” come from French (via Anglo-Norman) and mean “to hear” and “to determine”.

51. Feds under Ness : T-MEN

Eliot Ness was the Treasury agent charged with the task of bringing down the notorious Chicago gangster Al Capone. When Ness took on the job in 1930, Chicago law-enforcement agents were renowned for being corrupt, for being on the take. Ness handpicked 50 prohibition agents who he thought he could rely on, later reducing the group to a cadre of 15 and ultimately just 11 trusted men. That group of 11 earned the nickname “The Untouchables”, the agents who couldn’t be bought.

53. Parks whose famous bus is in the Henry Ford Museum : ROSA

Rosa Parks was one of a few brave women in days gone by who refused to give up their seats on a bus to white women. It was the stand taken by Rosa Parks on December 1, 1955 that sparked the Montgomery, Alabama Bus Boycott. President Clinton presented Ms. Parks with the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1996. When she died in 2005, Rosa Parks became the first ever woman to have her body lie in honor in the US Capitol Rotunda.

The Henry Ford is a huge indoor-outdoor museum complex in Dearborn, Michigan. The museum was founded by automobile industrialist Henry Ford in 1929 as the Edison Institute, and was opened to the public in 1933. Exhibits focus on the Industrial Revolution in America, although there are also many fascinating items in the collection that reflect US history in general. Included in the Henry Ford’s collection are:

  • The Lincoln Continental carry President John F. Kennedy when he was assassinated
  • The rocking chair in which President Abraham Lincoln was sitting when he was assassinated
  • Thomas Edison’s alleged last breath, in a sealed tube
  • The bus on which Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to give up her seat
  • A camp bed used by President George Washington
  • The bicycle shop and home used by the Wright brothers

54. Shah’s former land : IRAN

The last Shah of Iran was Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, as he was overthrown in the revolution led by the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979. The post-revolution government sought the extradition of the Shah back to Iran while he was in the United States seeking medical care (he had cancer). His prolonged stay in the United States, recovering from surgery, caused some unrest back in Iran and resentment towards the United States. Some say that this resentment precipitated the storming of the US Embassy in Tehran and the resulting hostage crisis.

56. Cato’s “to be” : ESSE

Cato the Younger was a politician in the late Roman Republic, noted for his moral integrity. He is also remembered for an extended conflict with Julius Caesar.

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Complete List of Clues/Answers

Across

1. Ford crossover SUV : EDGE
5. Fawning flattery : SMARM
10. Void partner : NULL
14. Melt fish : TUNA
15. Surrounding glows : AURAE
16. Pennsylvania city subject to lake-effect snow : ERIE
17. Where to find 37-Across : APARTMENT HOUSES
20. Go hog-wild : LET LOOSE
21. Gardener’s transplant : GRAFT
22. Penn of “Harold & Kumar” films : KAL
23. U.N. workers’ gp. : ILO
24. Where to find 37-Across : GARDENING CENTER
33. Table spreads : OLEOS
34. Ostrich kin : EMUS
35. “__ rule … ” : AS A
36. Clutter-free : NEAT
37. Road trip troubles … and what can be found in 17-, 24-, 43- and 57-Across : FLATS
39. Piedmont bubbly : ASTI
40. Nine-time NHL All-Star : ORR
41. Walk or run : GAIT
42. Cathedral areas : APSES
43. Where to find 37-Across : WOMEN’S SHOE STORE
47. Map line: Abbr. : LAT
48. Kendrick Lamar’s genre : RAP
49. Greek vowels : IOTAS
52. Send up : SATIRIZE
57. Where to find 37-Across : SYMPHONIC SCORES
60. Popular jeans : LEES
61. “Once Upon a Time in China” star : JET LI
62. Attitude : SASS
63. White-tailed seabird : ERNE
64. Dutch painter of “The Drawing Lesson” : STEEN
65. Poker buy-in : ANTE

Down

1. Abbr. in an abbreviated list : ET AL
2. Con : DUPE
3. Pest you might slap : GNAT
4. British peer : EARL
5. South Pacific islander : SAMOAN
6. Oaty breakfast mix : MUESLI
7. Obama Education secretary Duncan : ARNE
8. Traitor : RAT
9. [Yawn] : MEH
10. Cell using a synapse : NEURON
11. Bear in the sky : URSA
12. Willingly : LIEF
13. For fear that : LEST
18. Tips for dealers : TOKES
19. Checks figures intently? : OGLES
23. Post-op sites : ICUS
24. Dismissive words : GO, NOW!
25. Last Olds off the line : ALERO
26. Furnish with more weapons : REARM
27. One of four in Mississippi : DOT
28. Under, poetically : NEATH
29. Clock-setting std. : GMT
30. Italian Renaissance poet : TASSO
31. Aromatic compound : ESTER
32. Jack up : RAISE
37. Ramadan ritual : FAST
38. Fleur-de-__ : LIS
39. Germane : APT
41. Grate together, as teeth : GNASH
42. Mold that’s cold : ASPIC
44. Slide by : ELAPSE
45. Big name in databases : ORACLE
46. Has leftovers, say : EATS IN
49. Daysail destination : ISLE
50. Terminer’s partner, in law : OYER
51. Feds under Ness : T-MEN
52. Place to build : SITE
53. Parks whose famous bus is in the Henry Ford Museum : ROSA
54. Shah’s former land : IRAN
55. Fragrant peel : ZEST
56. Cato’s “to be” : ESSE
58. a.m. beverages : OJS
59. Fishing aid : NET

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22 thoughts on “LA Times Crossword Answers 2 Nov 2017, Thursday”

  1. LAT: 10:21, no errors. Newsday: 9:03, no errors. WSJ: 13:48, no errors. BEQ: 24:01, no errors; a rather … um … unusual … theme! NYT: 11:59, no errors; reported here because there was no link from Wednesday’s NYT blog to Thursday’s.

    1. The NYT blog problem vanished later. (Bill was probably fixing it as I was reporting it.) So all is well! … ?

      1. @Dave Kennison
        Well, Dave, I was indeed checking for the problem as soon as you reported it, but couldn’t find it! It seems to have solved itself. As always, I appreciate the “tech support”, Dave.

        Also, I’ve been spending some time trying to get back the facility that negated the need for folks to fill in a name every time a comment is made. It seems that my host “fixed” a caching issue in the back end of the blog, and so now things are operating “as they should”. Unfortunately, that means that names are not stored, and so those wanting to leave a name (emails and names are optional) when commenting have to type that name in with each comment. I tried!

        1. Thanks for the update, Bill. It’s possible (maybe even probable) that the NYT blog problem was on my end. I keep a Safari tab open to your NYT blog all the time and just do a “reload” when I want to see if something has changed. This has always worked in the past, but perhaps something kept it from working this morning. As soon as I used a new tab, your next-day link appeared.

          As for the other issue: I had already guessed that it was due to something beyond your control, so I’ll just continue to enter my name. Is it important to enter email addresses? If not, we could save a little time by not typing them in.

          1. @Dave Kennison
            Names and email addresses are both entered at your discretion. I must find a way to make that clear as one leaves a comment. I’ve just added that to my to-do list!

    1. I thought the same thing so I looked it up and the sentence in the google dictionary is:

      “he would just as life eat a pincushion”

      Just doesn’t sound right.

      1. I’m “familiar” with “lief”, but I don’t think I have ever used it except in a crossword puzzle. (I may be old, but I’m nowhere near as old, or as outdated, as that word is … ?.)

        (And this is Dave – eventually I may remember to put in my name.)

  2. I was able to complete about 95% of today’s LAT before I had to look a few things up. Meh. (Or Yawn) The theme helped at bit.

    Faired about the same for the WSJ. Enjoyed that while recieving a CKRK as opposed to a SACK (Cranial Keratin Repigmentation and Keratinectomy). IMO much better to work on a crossword than look at the provided style magazines that are always in a salon.

    @Carrie – sorry your boys didn’t pull it off. There’s always next year and only around 100 more days until pitchers and catchers report (that’s how us Reds fans always get through the end of the season)!

    @Jeff – hopefully you are able to bask in the ‘Stros win. I always love when it has to go to game 7.

    Have a great day everyone!

    -Megan

    1. Forgot that I meant to acknowledge CKRK … ?. I once underwent a SARCK (Self-Administered Radical Cranial Keratinectomy) but my SO has nixed any further experiments of that type … ?.

  3. Just a quick note that Kal Penn left the Obama administration in 2011. And I doubt he would accept a position for Trump, nor that one would be offered!

    1. Hi Tim! Kal Penn did serve briefly on some sort of cultural outreach committee during the current administration, but he and several others resigned in protest following Trump’s comments after Charlottesville.

  4. 23:42 LAT, 32:54 NYT which took a lot longer than it should have. Didn’t get NYT theme until the very end, but it was clever, I’ll admit.

    KAL Penn is now starring in “Designtated Survivor” which has an interesting premise, but I don’t know how long a series can last on a conspiracy or series of conspiracies without jumping the shark quickly. That said, I still watch it. Actors should just stick to acting….

    @Megan et al – Yes it was a bit of a crazy night rooting for the Astros. I watched the game at a beautiful casino bar in Henderson, NV with a bunch of Dodger fans. I’m born and raised a Cardinal fan from St. Louis, but in this case I was rooting for the city of Houston more than anything. It absolutely kills me to not be in Houston right now to see what that championship is doing for the spirit of a city that was crushed by flooding just 2 months ago. A storybook ending indeed.

    Best –

  5. Very very challenging, and some very punny answers. I had a tough time with this puzzle. What else is new.

    I’ve been told, Erie gets much less snow than Buffalo, NY, which is further down wind ( up wind ?)….
    Cleveland OH or Rochester NY is next lower down on the list…

    I’ve heard about Kal Penn ( whose real name is Kalpesh Modi- ) though I’ve never watched his movies ( not my genre – ) or his TV shows. He shares the same last name as the current indian Prime minister. ( no relation ). Modi is a fairly common surname, in western india, mostly amongst local grocers and dry goods dealers …. much like the polysemous term of petit bourgeoisie. Although the current indian PM takes pride in his humble beginnings as a tea stall operator…..

    Bill, ….. Kal Penn is a confirmed Democrat, and therefore would not be in the White House, currently. 🙂 However the very fact that he did make it to the Obama White House, in some capacity …. is significant, for it proves that even an actor can make it to the White House staff ( no matter, how good, or bad, his talent …Lol ) In the current news, he seems vehemently opposed to the present US administration…… 🙂

    The above is not a political statement, merely a discussion on one of the clues of the puzzle, today.

    Have a nice day, all.

    1. @Vidwan –

      Ronald Reagan told me a while back that it is possible for an actor to get into the White House… 🙂

      Best –

      Footnote – I went to type in my name, and it was already saved. The mystery continues

    2. @Vidwan (and others)
      Thanks for pointing out my outdated “blurb” about Kal Penn. I’ve fixed that now, editing it so that it isn’t date dependent. As always, I appreciate the help.

  6. Jeff, that was exactly the guy I was thinking of, when I wrote that statement. Btw, I looked up what Kal Penn did in the White House office, and for the life of me, I can’t imagine what that job entails….
    Btw, Mr.Obama was very kind to a lot of indians, I am given to understand.

    Congratulations, for the Astro’s win – I’m sure your cheering at the abovementioned bar had a lot to do with it. I hope the bar tab did not seriously dent your personal expense account 😉

    As in the above post, while typing the word ‘petit bourge—– ‘. I had to google the spelling , and learnt a new word ….. polysemous, which is a lovely word for wordsmiths ….. it means a word having many meanings…..
    At this rate, I hope to coin my own new word, before long ….

    I wanted to ask Megan a question …. if a brunette or a black haired person dyes their hair “blonde” and then has it cut … is it still a CKRK ?? Does repigmentation include de-pigmentation ?

    Aaah, deep philosophical questions that may keep me awake all night ….

  7. Fairly tough Thursday for me, done at a leisurely pace while selling my honey today. Had to wait until I got home to finish some of the tougher parts, but no errors surprisingly, even though I had a lot of doubts.

    Had MsH before MEH, ALERa before ALERO, TOKEn before TOKES, gMEN before TMEN and ASPeC before ASPIC. Wondered a lot about LEIF and OYER which were both new to me. Some really nice clues, like “Checks figures intently?.”

    Plus, my team 1.FC Koeln won big in the EC league 5:2 and honey/hand cream sales were great today.

  8. Why are so many clues missing ??
    ACROSS – 5,10,14,15,20,21,33,35,36,37,41,52,57,62 & 65
    DOWN – 1,2,4,8,9,13,19,24,26,28,32,41,44,46,49,52,58 & 59
    I see that most of them are in the complete list, but I would like to see your
    comment on where these answers came from – especially 9 down “MEH” ?
    Have been having trouble with my email lately. If mine doesn’t work
    please use my wife’s alice_reardon@yahoo.com

  9. Good evening! ? And good morning!! ?
    No errors. The theme was clever, I thought. Didn’t know LIEF — interesting!
    Hi John Reardon! Bill usually just writes up a third to a half of the clue answers. They are followed by a complete list of all answers. As for MEH, that’s something you say when you’re not impressed with something. I see it sometimes in reviews on Yelp. It’s a millennial thing, I think.
    Megan! I think the same thing…… Countdown to spring training!
    I’m glad we’re about to go to Standard Time. I’ll automatically start getting up before 10. ?
    Be well~~™?

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